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Occasionally I wandered in where I was not wanted and gave truthful answers.
Sometimes I even did it deliberately. A little disruption now can prevent disaster later.

NeoNote — Taking a stand against politics in paganism

From my own experience, not every conservative pagan is willing to argue merely for their right to express an opinion.

I'm libertarian, but we all know that libertarians are weirdos who argue at the drop of a hat. Pointy or otherwise.

Seriously though, there are some issues that only touch on politics indirectly that we as pagans should be concerned about. Free speech is a big one. There are some who are convinced that if someone offends them, that person should removed from living memory and never allowed to speak again. There are some that believe that anyone designated a victim should have priority to speak and judge if others have a right to speak.

It's amazing how many pagans and heathens condemn capitalism but have books, art, and crafted items for sale.

Personally I believe we should have our thoughts and opinions tested by those who we don't agree with. Or I wouldn't be here. Or at the conservative sites I regularly comment at.



Language is mostly about subtext.

If one group has precedence for whatever reason, how is that a good thing? And if next week, a different group has precedence, is that a good thing?

You speak of context, and I know it's the basis of intersectionality. Yes, I've been known to actually do the research. But should rights really depend on context? If we say that all people have the right to marry, doesn't that mean that all people should have the right to marry? Or does that change for German lesbians next month and Mexican gays sometime next year? What about the Irish-Brazillian-Nigerian poly group?

Does someone's right not to be triggered/offended trump someone else's freedom of speech? Does someone's desire to live in a gun-free culture override someone else's right to carry?

I don't think you can make rights conditional and contextual. I think that leads to more conflict, not less.



There's a difference between conservatives and Trump supporters. From what I've seen, there is a solid core of conservative pagans that want nothing to do with Trump. They also don't want to be attacked on sight because they do not spout the progressive agenda. Right now that seems to be the only choice.



I've seen the aftermath of circles and covens broken up by politics. It's not pretty. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

For some people, "keeping peace in the family" is more important than expressing political views. They place their faith, their fellowship, and the good that the group can do ahead of politics.

Which raises serious questions about the people who want to make the personal political, even when the people around them don't.



I'm not saying avoid talking. Nor are they.

But it doesn't belong in the circle.

That's one area where you and I disagree. You object to conservative Christians bringing their faith to politics, yet you encourage progressive pagans to do the same thing.



What does politics have to do with the sunrise on a solstice morning? What does an election have to do with the whisper of wind in a red rock canyon? What does Congress have to do with the raven that I usually share my breakfast berries with?

Politics is about controlling other people. It's not paganism. We know that politics corrupts religion, the People of the Book provide ample examples.

Why would we want to make that a part of our faith?



Ah, there we're going to disagree again.

For me, monotheism's second sin is the separation of humanity from the rest of Nature. Granted, we have to "come down off the mountaintop" and bring what we have learned into the World.

But does that really mean that others have to submit? What's the choice if they do not?



The spirituality is separate but the Manifestation is not.

But even there, we should respect other's boundaries. At least as long as they are willing to respect ours.

Even if I have this tremendously better idea of how to make the World better, I risk the idea and the outcome if I resort to force. And that is what politics is really, the threat of force. "Do what you're told or we'll send scary people with guns."

If I do that today, what will stop it from happening to me tomorrow?

I have to have enough faith in my ideas to convince people instead of using government to threaten. It also means I'd better be damn sure my ideas work.

NeoNotes are the selected comments that I made on other boards, in email, or in response to articles where I could not respond directly.


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